Posts tagged: Dunham

Brodeur Greatest Ever?

By , March 21, 2009 7:01 pm

So with Martin Brodeur overtaking Roy in all time wins, the question has been whether Brodeur plays in a great system or is a great goalie.

Well I decided one of the best ways to see what the Devils system does for Goalies is to compare the Mid 90s Devils Goalies (Terreri, Schwab and Dunham) who were all highly rated in their time with the Devils and to see how they did once they left Jersey. Terreri and Schwab were both traded in deals for 2nd round picks. Dunham was the first selection of the Preds in the Expansion draft and was their starter for a few seasons.

One can argue that Terreri and Schwab were backups at best, but teams believed that they could improve their goaltending and were willing to part with a prized second round pick for them. So how do their averages compare between the Devils and other teams?

I’m using Clemmensen as a sort of neutral marker. He didn’t look particullary good when playing for the Devils before this season, so its worth a look to compare him. I ignored Beezer, who was at the end of his career and was a proven goalie. I also ignored Weekes, who wasn’t in the Devils system till this year.

Chris Terreri
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
93-94 Devils      44      2.72   .907  2
94-95 Devils       15     2.53    .900  0
95-96 Devils        4       2.57   .902  0
98-99 Devils       12      2.48   .898   1
99-00 Devils      12      3.42   .876  0
00-01 Devils      10      2.78   .874  0
Devils Average  16.1   2.75  .893   .5

Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
95-96 Sharks     46      3.70   .883   0
96-97 Sharks     22      2.75   .901   0
96-97 BHawks    7       2.66    .901   0
97-98 BHawks   21      2.41    .906   2
00-01 Isles          8       2.44    .912    0
Other Average  20.8  2.79   .906    .4

Corey Schwab
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
95-96 Devils      10      2.18   .899    0
02-03 Devils      11      1.47   .933    1
03-04 Devils       3       0.64   .971    1
Devils Average  4.6    1.43   .934    .66

Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
96-97 TBLight   31     3.04    .897   2
97-98 TBLight   16     2.92    .892    1
98-99 TBLight   40     3.52    .891    0
99-00 Canucks   6      3.57    .861    0
01-02 Leafs        30     2.73   .894     1
Other Average  24.6  3.15   .887     .8

Mike Dunham
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
96-97 Devils      26      2.55  .906    2
97-98 Devils      15       2.25  .913    1
Devils Average 20.5   2.40  .909   1.5

Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
98-99 Preds        44      3.08   .908  1
99-00 Preds        52      2.85   .908  0
00-01 Preds        48      2.28    .923  4
01-02 Preds         58      2.61   .906  3
02-03 Preds        15       3.15    .892  0
02-03 Rangers   43       2.29    .924  5
03-04 Rangers   57       3.03   .896   2
05-06 Thrash      17      2.77   .893   1
06-07 Isles           19      3.74    .889  0
Other Average     44.1  3.23     .904  2

Martin Broduer
Devils Average
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Devils                 61.75  2.20   .914  6.3

Scott Clemmensen
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
08-09 Devils      40     2.39   .917   2

Schwab, Terreri and Dunham’s Devils stats average
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Devils                   13.7   2.19    .912  .88

Their Non Devils stats average
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Other                    29.8  3.05    .899  1.06

In Comparison to Broduer while with Devils
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Devils(Backup) 13.7    2.19    .912  .88
Devils(Marty)   61.75  2.20   .914  6.3

In Comparison to Broduer while with Others
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Other                    29.8    3.05    .899  1.06
Devils(Marty)   61.75  2.20   .914  6.3

In Comparison to Clemmensen while with Devils
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Devils(Backup) 13.7    2.19    .912  .88
Devils(Clem)      40        2.39   .917   2

In Comparison to Clemmensen while with Others
Team                     GP     GAA    SV%  SO
Other                    29.8    3.05    .899  1.06
Devils(Clem)      40        2.39   .917   2

In whats a somewhat amazing stat info, during their time as backups to Broduer the trio managed almost identical stats to what Broduer has averaged over the years except for shutouts which is due to the disparity of games played. When playing for other teams the same trio managed to drop their GAA by .80 and their SV% by .15.

When compared to Clemmensen when backups with the Devils the trio managed a better GAA by .20 but a slightly lower Sv% by .05. But when compared to the Trio when they weren’t on the Devils, Clemmensen clearly outshines them with a .66 improvement in GAA and a .18 better in Sv%.

Personally I think this shows that the Devils have had one hell of a run with Brodeur, and Brodeur probably fits perfectly in their system. Out of the Trio, the only one that might have worked out for the Devils was Dunham. Of course, Brodeur is still playing and Dunham is currently retired.

It also helps that the Devils knew what they had in Brodeur from the start. His whole career he’s played 60+ games a year (obviously minus this season and the strike shortened season) while Roy didn’t reach 60 games till his sixth season in the league. Despite the two cup wins for Roy with the Canadiens, they weren’t nearly as good of a team when compared to the Devils team Brodeur started with or the Avs team that Roy played with.